Role of caffine in you diet

Caffeine, again, can contribute to dehydration, which in turn will interfere with proper synthesis of neurotransmitters. It also uses up a lot of vitamin C. These things could exacerbate ADD as a result, but I have found that I have no problem with moderate amounts of caffeine so long as I drink enough water & have enough C in my diet. You can take C supplements- but many of these can cause diarrhea, which will then increase other deficiencies & exacerbate dehydration. C supplements are best taken on a full stomach. Smaller doses taken 4X per day are better than one large dose, since this gets pissed away in a few hours. Frankly, I find that just eating well (which will naturally insure a steady intake of C) to be much less of a hassle than taking supplements 4X per day.

 

I’ve never heard of apples & milk causing inordinate drowsiness, except when milk is heated to release the tryptophan. I suppose a person who has difficulty digesting milk might be fatigued by the alcohols created by its fermentation. Most milk digestion problems can be corrected by having a little bit of cardamom or nutmeg along with it. When cold milk hits stomach acid, it curdles into little chunks of cheese. These chunks have a poor surface-to-mass ratio. The enzymes only work on the surface, so the lactose in the middle has plenty of time to ferment. I discovered this when I was experimenting with making Indian dessert cheeses.

 

I had several different pots of milk boiling, and added different flavorings to each. When I added lemon juice to curdle them, the ones containing cardamom and nutmeg refused to curdle. I had heard that Ayurveda reccommends those spices for people having a hard time with milk, and I think that this explains it. Nutmeg and cardamom contain chemicals which keep milk proteins from coagulating. This enables the milk to remain a liquid in the stomach, which causes it to digest very fast. My only dietary rule is a paraphrase of Aleister Crowley: “Eat what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.”

 

I keep my digestion strong with Yoga, & have resolved most of my neurotic anxieties with psychoanalysis & introspection & giving/receiving love. I’m lacto-ovo-vegetarian by preference, but am not rigid. One time early on I pissed someone off by being too preachy about my diet. I went out and ate a Whopper as penance, then made sure they knew & had my apology. Alienating your friends is worse for your health than anything you can eat. If a friend is unaware of my preference, and lovingly offers me food with meat in it, I eat it as a gift from God & never have a problem afterwards, which is interesting- because when I have eaten meat simply because it would be inconvenient to get something else, I feel it in my stomach like a lump for a while afterwards. More specifically for ADD, there are a few dietary things that I have found very helpful. I discovered them myself, and don’t know if they’ll work for everybody. See the “herbal/nutritional cures for A.D.D.?” thread to read about it, & some interesting conversations about it.

 

A.D.D Diets

You should know that scientists haven’t found any connection between diet and ADD. But science is always looking for statistical relationships. There may be very complex relationships they don’t see. so keep an open mind, and pay close attention to how foods make YOUR body feel. I think my thinking about diet is this: ADD’s are impulsive, and emotional. So you probably want to avoid anything that will jolt the brain with anything. This would mean avoiding caffeine, white sugar, drugs, alcohol. These things can interfere with your medication. If you aren’t on medication, you may want to consume these things for the pharmacological effect they have on your brain.

 

Keep your glucose levels stable by eating protein, (fish, meat, beans, nuts, diary) complex carbohydrates (brown rice, root vegetables, whole wheat bread) and natural simple sugars (fruit, dried fruit) in small quantities mixed with other things (fruit jelly on muffins). Simple carbohydrates like white bread will turn into sugar fast in your mouth. So don’t eat a lot of it. These “rules” are general rules that apply to all people, and are not harmful to anyone, so it is fine to follow them. But also realize you don’t want to increase your stress level too high. If food is important to your feeling cared for, try and identify some foods that make you feel good and eat them in moderation.

 

For me, spaghetti and macaroni and cheese do that as well as a piece of fudge, so I choose the pasta, it wreaks less mood swings on my body. This morning I made myself corn muffins and allowed myself to lick out the bowl (and left a lot to lick) because it makes me feel loved, cause my mom let me do that… Too many people deprive themselves on diets, and I think that leads to binging. Also, recognize that you are impulsive. Don’t go food shopping when you are hungry. Don’t bring impulse foods into the house, but allow yourself to go out with a friend, and indulge in desserts, coffee in a very restricted social situation.

 

Also remember that you could have other disorders affecting what you eat, hypoglycemia, diabetes, Candida, lactose intolerance, etc. Just because we have ADD doesn’t mean we are all the same. I think you just have to do alot of research. Foods have different properties that you can discover by reading books in health food stores. Look at the ancient (Chinese, folk, Indian) traditions, I think they picked up on stuff that science hasn’t discovered yet, but take it with a grain of salt, and if it doesn’t work for you, pick the parts that make sense and leave the rest.

 

Some thoughts on dieting

I just wanted to get some thoughts on dieting. Anyone here have any success on any of them? I tried Atkins for three days and I couldn’t even think straight. If it wasn’t the lack of carbs wreaking havoc on my brain, then it was trying to make any sense out of Dr. Atkins book. I’ve tried it all in the past Ang and just signed up on Ediets.com to get a healthier eating plan for being a veg and all. When I say tried it all I mean it… everything from starvation to puking to laxatives to Scarsdale to Weight watchers. After it all, I would say the only thing that really works is moderation and going by (what we have here) is the Canada food guide.

 

Our bodies need bits and pieces from every food group and the occasional treat or we’ll just get sick. If you think of it, every fad diet like Atkins has started out with great acclaim only to end in lawsuits from its followers getting sick or worse by being on it. I started lifting weights back in 1980 while still in high school. I wasn’t muscle bound like many of the professional body builders that you see in magazines and on television but I had a very muscular physique. In 1994 I was involved in an industrial accident that left me unable to walk for over 6 months and it also prevented me from doing any sort of strenuous physical activity for nearly 18 months.

 

A week before the accident I had undergone my yearly physical exam and at that time I was 6′ 1″ tall and weighed a muscular 250#. When I was finally released to go back to work,almost 2 years after the accident,I was 6′ and weighed 275# .But now I was fat,not muscular.The injuries had actually caused me to shrink one inch in height and pack on an added 25#. You may have heard that if you build up a lot of muscle mass and then stop training,most of that muscle mass turns to fat? It’s true,that’s exactly what happened to me.

 

I didn’t do anything about it until this year because my mental image of my body was that of a muscular 250 pounder and not a fat 275 pounder. The Atkins diet,as you know,drastically reduces carbolic intake in order to reduce body fat,that was completely contradictory to what I had been doing for more than 14 years.I was a carb-aholic during all those years of weight training.I was taking in a massive amount of carbs to sustain me during my workouts.

 

Diets for living longer and healthier

Well, the proof is in the (low carb) pudding, and I’m a believer…no matter what the calorie in/calorie out people say, I know, from years of painful experience, is that I can eat 800 daily calories of high carb and not lose a ounce, or I can eat 2400 calories a day (or more) of low carb and drop weight at the rate of 1-2 pounds a week. And feel great. And have better skin texture, and stronger nails, and feel great. And have lower blood pressure and blood sugar back in normal range. Which is often the case when comparison of diets is done. The low fat, the low carb, the low everything, most use some statistics to show that they have everything working correctly.

 

What works is really what is needed, and what works needs to be shown to be working by monitoring. Problem is for the most part we know some of what we do not need, such as what has been associated with plaque build up, high blood pressure, blood clotting, as well as blood thinning, but do we really know exactly what we need to live longer and healthier. The only study I have seen that really demonstrates a possibility is the lower calorie diet, but then we may not see how that will work in humans for another 5-10 years, we’ll have to watch a little longer how our furry 4 legged guys do and our 2 legged cousins, but at the half way mark for the 2 legged ones, some seem to be doing very well indeed.

 

If they are dropping weight, they certainly are changing their calories out. Which side of the fence do you think metabolism sits on anyway, calories in or calories out, or something in between like wishful thinking? If they are not absorbing the calories in their food and passing them out of their bodies, while maintaining all other activities, then that is an increase in calories out. If they don’t and maintain all other activities, then they are probably heating the air around their bodies a little bit more, that is an increase in calories out. So where are these extra calories needed to live on coming from if you are only taking in 800 calories a day? If you stay even, then you are putting out no more then that amount.

 

And if are like most average adults, you most likely need twice that amount or more to stay even at normal activity levels. In other words, you were on a vlcd and could well have been suffering the common side effects of it. Apparently composition of calories has an effect on metabolism. Note Kay is losing weight on 2400 calories a day. Boy, that’s a lot, huh? Note also the studies we’ve referenced in this thread, where subjects eating equivalent numbers of calories lost more weight on low carb diets than low fat.

 

Information on low carb diets

Personally, i think the low-carb diets are a decent idea. i also think it makes sense, just in terms of trends, that the diet pendulum is now swinging back in a different direction after 20 years of high-carb low-fat thought. the first diet book ever written, at the end of the 19th century, recommended a low-carb diet. not that that proves anything, i just found it interesting. i can understand that it seems like nutritional heresy to a lot of people, since the prevailing teachings of the last generation have been in favor of the opposite. The best way to lose weight is to cut back on calories (but not too much) and engage in a regular cardio/strength training program.

 

That’s how I did it. I cut back on a lot of junk food and replaced it with healthier stuff (veggies and stuff like Reduced Fat Triscuits) and I work out 2-3 times a week. I still eat almost everything I want too. i agree with you about the exercise and cutting out the junk food. getting some regular cardio activity and strengthening the muscles will do a good bit to change the body’s metabolism, which gives a lot more leeway in what someone can get away with eating. though skipping the cheesy poofs is a good idea anyway. : These new diets are just fads. But because people see results quickly : they’ll do it.

 

Problem is, if they continue on it for an extended : period of time, it can cause long-lasting damage and if they ever come : off it, they’ll put the weight back on with reinforcements. i’d say that’s true for poorly-planned fad diets. i just disagree with you that that’s what these are. i think they also get really oversimplified in the media (both good and bad coverage), so that people think it’s all steak and eggs every meal. they don’t necessarily all have fast results, either; barry sears says healthy weight loss is about a pound a week, which is a lot slower than people on, say, the weight watchers diet. anyway, i still find this debate an interesting one. i just wanted to toss in my dissenting voice and point out what i thought were some oversimplifications or misconceptions about low-carb diets.

 

Personal decision on diets

I, like probably many others, used to wonder why someone could have enormous amounts of evidence of something as still do the opposite. As am example, when I first integrated NT, I told everyone, friends, family, acquaintances. Although they had questions, which I satisfied, EVERYONE agreed with it 99.9%. But for some reason they acted like it was not a philosophy for them. They said ‘yeah that sounds great, but nobody’s perfect, so why strive to be’ or ‘if it works for you, great, but my life is fine the way it is’.

 

I wished there was something, ANYTHING I could say just to make them see that life was beautiful and they could be anything they wanted and they could be happy… But, alas, there is nothing one can do! They are too far gone. They are filled with apathy and low self-esteem. I believe many of you think if we could just find out how to help others, everything will be great. I think this is a mysticism which stems from living in a ‘democratic’ society. I believe, and actually count on the concept, that a prosperous future doesn’t require individuals to become missionaries attempting to convert the ignorant masses.

 

As Colin said, ‘lead by example’ but even when people become interested to learn from you, they generally don’t follow through. This is OK because they still can’t escape reality. If they don’t follow through they will pay the consequences. I think if you ask everyone what made them test NT in their lives, they will all have a different answer, ie. different situations, different lives, different state of minds, different attitudes, different mysticism, etc. The only common denominator is our own personal decision to say, ‘I’ll try it’. That is why I say there is no way to help others. Certainly, once they make the first step by accepting the only rational philosophy, like some on this list, then it is possible to help them continue to grow.

 

However, the necessity to help them is rather questionable. I believe many will be very prosperous and live long happy lives but many will die and end their miserable existences. There are several groups of people, criminal-minded, absent-minded, fence-sitters and self-leaders. To achieve our just future, we must deal with the criminal-minded in the most severe terms, we must allow the absent-minded to fade away, we must give the fence- sitters the opportunity to join us and we must concentrate on our own health, happiness and prosperity, above all else.

 

Sticking to your diet during festive season

If you want to get into ettiquite, you can serve anything you want at your own party and still be “correct”. But, just because it is ettiquite does not automatically mean that it is the right thing to do. I agree that you shouldn’t have to ask every guest what their preference is before you plan the food but, if you know of peoples food “problems” is is not only right but extremely thoughtful to make your guests comfortable at your wedding. I had an Aunt who was a vegan, that is a vegetation taken to the extreme, and Uncle who just had a triple(or was that a quadruple?) bypass who had a strict eating list, and a grandfather who also was on a strict diet.

 

I called them up before I set the menu and asked if there was anything special I could get them to eat or what parameters they had. Each person kept telling me not to worry about them and that they would get along but I persisted and got their opinions. I took that into consideration when planning my menu. I ended up with a buffet and had what everyone I knew about could eat. Everyone loved the wedding and the food. Haven’t you ever been to a party and there was nothing you liked to eat?

 

I have and I didn’t like the party and that is how I remembered it. You can serve whatever you want but, these are people who you want to enjoy themselves. Although, you shouldn’t have to worry about your Aunt Selma, third aunt removed, and her date who has this problem with cilantro that you never knew about. I’ve included Lisa’s entire post despite my usual dislike of heavy inclusions, because Lisa appears to have taken my post in a considerably different way than I intended, and I feel a need to respond to that. I did not intend any implication that I felt offended or that I lacked good will toward anyone. I wasn’t there for the food, and I don’t feel it “meant” anything that there was a limited menu.

 

Despite Lisa’s change of topic title, I posted in response to a discussion of serving buffet style, specifically with regard to the head table. I *was* attempting to be gracious in the situation –as I said: I wasn’t there for the food. My post was intended to address the issue from the point of view of the hosts of what is a good and gracious serving style. The bottom line in my example is that it *was* less than gracious and less than considerate hosting. As a guest at that wedding –especially as the best man– I dealt with the situation with as much good will, grace and humor as possible. As part of a discussion years later about the pros and cons of reception serving styles, I can say that food and serving were weaknesses of that wedding.

 

Dangers of certain diet plans

I can only offer anecdotal evidence; when I am on the no-carb *way-of-life*, my HDL is in the mid-range, my LDL is quite *low*, and my triglycerides are normal. My BP is within the acceptable level, and my blood-sugar levels stabilize in the optimal range. When eating what the experts call a healthy diet, my doctor tells me to lower my LDL numbers (impossible – if you stop eating cholesterol-laden foods, your body produces the stuff), my BP rises, and I gain weight. Further proof that “healthy diet” is not a universal thing.

 

By the way, have you heard what is being said about margarine lately? “They” say it is actually worse for you than butter, with all those trans-fatty acids. But hey, what do the experts know, right? All throughout history, the “experts” have been proven wrong time and again. Generally speaking, if “everybody knows it’s true” that’s a good hint that you should re-examine the conventional wisdom. finally; “Low carbohydrate diet regimens have been in existence for decades. Dr. Atk ins published his first book back in the 70′s based on the same concepts as his current book.

 

If these plans worked in the long run, the release of new diet books wouldn’t even be necessary.” Right. The whole industry would shut down, just like Hollywood closed it’s doors after it finally made a really good movie. It’s a business……Is there only one good cookbook in the world? Do we all wear the same really sharp-looking shirt? Of course we all drive the same superior automobile, right? “The followers would have actually been capable of maintaining weight loss by eliminating high carbohydrate foods for over 25 years. ”

 

Many, many thousands have done just that. Some of us, due to conditions beyond our control, were not able to stay with the *way-of-life*, and we gained back the weight we lost…..gained it back eating carbohydrates like everybody else. “Their long term weight loss success stories would have spread worldwide as the cure to obesity.” Whoa! The reason the diet concept is so popular is *because* those stories have indeed spread far and wide! “Paradoxically, as more and more diets appear, the weight loss industry continues to get richer, and America continues to grow fatter.”

 

Diets of the olden days

On the other extreme we find populations living in deserts, the Arctic or similar marginal habitats and who have spent more than seven hours a day hunting or gathering [2]. The very high level of physical exercise exerted by the Tarahumara Mayans of Mexico [7] can hardly be considered representative for traditional human populations. Physical activity undoubtedly exerts a number of potentially beneficial effects on cardiovascular risk factors, including reduction of blood pressure, body weight and waist to hip ratio, and elevation of HDL (good) cholesterol [8]. Higher levels of physical activity are furthermore prospectively associated with lower mortality [9-10]. Besides its possible genuine effects, exercise may facilitate an adequate intake of essential nutrients by way of increased energy expenditure .

 

Nevertheless, available evidence do not suggest that exercise is as efficient as dietary changes to lower body weight [8, 12] or blood pressure [13], nor do cross-cultural surveys indicate that a high level of physical activity is a necessary condition for very low rates of coronary heart disease. Well generally I have to agree with you. The original post probably deserved a more developed response then I gave it. I think you would probably agree with me though, that however minimal a hunter/gather’s energy expenditure actually was, it was probably much greater then those of us munching away at our keyboards. I’ve always been a little distrustful of statistics concerning how much time people spent gathering food.

 

I think your numbers are ok, I just think there is a tendency to ignore trifling situations such as those days when no amount of work gathered any food whatever. How many articles do you have concerning bands of overweight hunter/gathers? Besides, getting back to grubs, most accounts I’ve come across count them as delicacies, as in they don’t get them much. By the way, most insects are quite low in fat and high enough in protean to satisfy the needs of even dedicated predators.

 

Enjoyed your site and will get to your reading list as soon as I move into a new place. Until then I must maintain that with physical exercise and restraint, we too can safely enjoy steaming platters of roasted grub. Yes, most probably. But we can easily find groups of Westerners with higher energy expenditure from manual labour who nevertheless are subject to coronary heart disease just about as often as those with a sedentary lifestyle. None whatsoever. There is firm evidence that they cannot become overweight until they adopt a Western lifestyle and I think diet has been much underestimated here.

 

Common doubts on low carb diets

I was just thinking about several types of Diets that are out there. The Low Carb. Diets in which a person consumes huge quantities of meat, very little fruit and veggies.(only low carb veggie and fruits) and NO breads, pastas, rice, potatoes, etc. Some people, including me, have a problem with consuming carbohydrates because it bounces the Blood Glucose too high causing problems. These Low Carb. diets get tid of these problems. However, they seem to be going in a direction that the w.o.w. points away from. Consuming mainly carbohydrates makes me ill. Any comments? I am curious to see what others think.

 

I would be suspicious of any “diet” that requires consumption of “huge” quantities of anything. It would seem to be poor advice. Consuming normal quantities of food drawn from an unusual balance of food groups might be a different matter. Then I would seek competent medical advice. If the recommended course of treatment includes a high meat protein / low carbohydrate diet then you will be following a doctor’s advice. There is nothing in the Word of Wisdom against following a doctor’s advice. [Okay, okay, so we could digress into a discussion of the medicinal uses of marijuana for California residents. Which might be an interesting discussion, but doesn't have a lot to do with this topic]. It would seem to me that the Word of Wisdom, as its name implies, is to be followed wisely, _not_ legalistically.

 

If an individual has a problem metabolising starches, as described above, then the too strict interpretation of the WoW would seem to militate against that person’s good health. This is clearly contrary to its intent. Let us remember the Saviour’s words as applied to the Sabbath; in my view they apply to all of the commandments, i.e. that they were made for us; we were not made for them. If “Intikilla” can abstain from injurious substances, including tobacco, alcohol, coffee, tea and harmful drugs, and eat moderately all those things that the best medical advice says are best for him/her, then I would hold that s/he is living the WoW as it was intended.

 

I’m a insulin dependant diabetic. Generally I stick to lower carb foods. Is this in contravention of the WoW? I don’t feel it is. Just 70 years ago I wouldn’t be here to tell you about this because I would have died from complications. ( I shoot 72 units of Humilin Nph and approx 20 of Humalog per day). Humalog by the way is VERY effective in curing carbo bounces because of it’s immediacy and effacy. (for me). I think that the WoW is fairly vague in some areas for a very good reason: We’re all different.