Easy vitamin for those who hate pills

My wife and I both participate in a multivitamin study conducted by Dr. Kenneth Cooper. I feel comfortable taking these because I believe in the institution behind it. Its pretty hard to find a more credible organization than the Cooper Clinic. I believe the pills themselves to be of outstanding quality too. Dr. Cooper is doing a massive study in association with several high profile clinics that would indicate that a correct vitamin level will significantly decrease heart attack and strokes, especially in compulsive athletes. There is a wide body of study to support this, he is now trying to prove it.

 

The vitamin industry is not impressed because most of what Dr. Cooper finds to be missing from a persons life style is easily corrected by diet changes. Personally, I haven’t noticed much difference. But my wife, who had high cholesterol problems, had a very significant lowering of her cholesterol in the first three months. And, she claims her fingernails are less brittle. Although I can’t say that I got a PR because of vitamins and so on, I am convinced that overall I am in better shape. I haven’t had a cold since I started the program 6 months ago.

 

Since they seem to improve my overall body conditioning I am sure it has some effect on my competition as well. I’ve been taking GNC’s Men’s Mega (or is it Mega Men’s?) multi-vitimins and minerals since May and have definitely noticed that I feel better/stronger/peppier since I started. I’ve been setting PRs all year, but think the vitamins may only be a little part of this. I had always pooh-poohed taking vitamins, going with the line that a good diet would supply everything I need. But then a top runner in our running club chewed me out for not taking a multi-vitamin, especially when training for Ironman. He contended that giving the heavy training I was certainly not getting everything I need from my diet.

 

I thought about it, and recognized that my diet was not what it should be and that multi-vitamin would not “hurt” in any case, according to what I could find in the literature. (My reading suggested that vitamins from food might be somehow better than vitamins from a pill–but that vitamins from a pill were better than not getting them at all.) I am no lover of pills, nor do I have any interest in “health foods” (though, I do eat “healthy”). Given this, I take a “Muti” and an additional C, plus: Chromium Picolinate, and Siberian Ginseng. My experience is that I have far fewer colds, during IM training/racing when I keep up on my vitamins. Some may dispute my claims with credible evidence, but I have gone back and forth – vitamins, no vitamins – the difference has been a cold.

 

Vitamins for breast-feeding infants

I think that I will buy some and see how it goes for the first bottle. She is somewhat of a finiky(sp) eater. Her most favorite foods are mashed potatoes and gravy (grandmas), hot dogs, pickles, and olives. That is just off the top of my head. I am sure there are at least a few more. She also is a snacker. I’d love to have the healthy snacks around the house more often for her, but produce is so expensive. When she gets home from school she thinks she needs to eat and eat until she is full. I keep reminding her that it is just to get her by until dinner. It sounds like if your dd doesn’t eat enough meats and fruits that you should either giver her supplements, or make sure that she eats a better diet.

 

Meats and starches have alot the same vitamins. Starches do not have as much protein though, and they are lacking some vitamins that are in meats. Starches in addition to cheeses or nuts will get you alot of the same vitamins as meat. Fruits and vegetables have alot of the same vitamins, so if you eat enough veggies, it doesn’t matter if you don’t eat much fruit. When I posted my question about vitamins I had no idea that it would start a heated discussion about breast feeding…. My daughter is 8 years old.. she isn’t breast feeding anymore.. I just wanted to know about vitamins for children. Her diet isn’t very well balanced, and as I said in my original post, she isn’t over or under weight.

 

We don’t eat enough fruits and protien. But I still want her body to get the nutrients that it needs. Is it really necessary at her age to supplement vitamins. I never took them as a child, but I don’t eat a very well balanced diet either. I think that my prenatals are actually made my winter more tolerable. I usually get sick more than a few times, but this winter I only got sick once or twice, and nothing that lasted for very long. My DD hasn’t gotten very sick this winter either, even though she hasn’t taken vitamins. I dunno.. it was just something that I have been thinking about and wanted to get some feed back from others that know more about vitamins than I do.

 

U.S. Study Shows Vitamins Save Health Care Costs

Want to save health care dollars? Give vitamins to the elderly, a study published on Thursday suggests. The study, done on behalf of Wyeth Consumer Health by health care consultant The Lewin Group, finds that vitamins could improve overall health, making elderly people less likely to need drugs or hospital care. “The Lewin Group study found that daily use of a multivitamin by older adults is a relatively inexpensive yet potentially powerful way to improve one’s health,” Lewin said in the report.

 

As people age, and especially after age 65, the immune system generally weakens, leaving them vulnerable to infections. “The five-year estimate of potential savings (or cost offsets) resulting from improved immune functioning and a reduction in the relative risk of coronary artery disease through providing older adults with a daily multivitamin is approximately $1.6 billion,” the report concludes. “The five-year estimated cost offset associated with avoidable hospitalization for heart attacks is approximately $2.4 billion,” it adds. Allen Dobson of the Lewin group said the study averaged the cost of typical multivitamins on the market and assumed an annual cost of $36.

 

The study assumed that 50 percent of adults over the age of 65 would take the vitamins at first, but that up to 85 percent would take them after five years of having Medicare or health insurance pay for them. Over five years, the report concludes, it would cost $2.3 billion to provide a daily multivitamin to older adults in the United States. The study was launched with the aim of finding an inexpensive way to save money in health care. “Evidence from numerous sources indicates that a significant number of older adults fail to get the amounts and types of food necessary to meet essential energy and nutrient needs.”

 

The group looked at a range of studies and reports to make its own findings. It studied the effects of taking vitamins on five diseases — coronary artery disease, diabetes, osteoporosis, prostate cancer, and colorectal cancer. “Additionally, we examined literature concerning the effects of multivitamins on immune functioning in older adults and the potential health care savings that might result from avoiding the costly hospitalizations, nursing home stays, and home health services associated with pneumonia, cellulitis (a skin infection), kidney and urinary tract infections, and septicemia (a blood infection),” the report read.

 

For instance, one 1998 study involving 80,000 nurses found a 24 percent reduction in the risk of heart attacks among women who took daily multivitamins. The study defined a multivitamin as a tablet providing 100 percent of daily requirements for “most vitamins and minerals”. The researchers noted that some supplements contain mega-doses and these were not included in the study.

 

 

Vitamin wholesale selling

I have received inquiries regarding where to Lady’s Slipper from several people. I am sorry to report that I have had as much trouble as all of you in locating. The one time I have found it was at a vitamin wholesale outlet one hour outside of the city I live in. They, at that time, only had two bottles, which I purchased. I have since inquired as to when they could order more. I was told they only purchase in bulk when the prices are at the lowest. I have not found it in capsule form since. I have heard of it in root form however, which I believe can be ground or cooked for tea.

 

I thought perhaps you all would have more luck in your cities and states. Perhaps the next time one of us is able to locate it, we can post the address of the location so that others can order it. I don’t know if anyone has already posted the real name of Lady’s Slipper, it’s Cypripedium pubescens. It’s a type of orchid that grows wild in some temperate regions but they are difficult to cultivate. The more common species C.calceolus and C.reginae grow wild in Northern Europe and Northern North America.

 

They may not have the same properties and they may not be very safe. I think the dried root is available here in England but my friend, who knows about these herbs, has recently moved house and I haven’t managed to track her down. She has previously suggested numerous herbal treatments for MS but she has never mentioned Lady’s Slipper. I have seen it refered to as an herb for MS or I would not be taking it, nor would I have posted it on my list. Please refer on internet to Dave Q’s Natural Recovery through Diet for MS, at 2 Cow Herd. Also, local library will have information as well.

 

Try the book Herbs for Health and Healing. My original post was provided in full to impart knowledge to the group of a beneficial nature. I would not in any way ingest anything detrimental myself, nor would I recommend to anyone here. Further, Lady’s Slipper was first brought to my attention on the Dave Q 2 Cow Herd Natural Recovery from MS Web Page. I then referenced it in several books. I would not recommend it as an herb for MS without doing so.

 

Vitamins and breast feeding

I haven’t seen the original posting, but the part about flouride struck me because I have been discussing flouride with a poster from another ng. I for one didn’t know that some baby vitamins contain flouride. I’m not giving my child vitamins at this time but he does drink nursery water, which has flouride in it. IMHO it’s really important to make sure that our children are not getting flouride from more than one source (*either* water *or* vitamins *or* a tiny bit of toothpaste when they are old enough not to swallow it), because of the immediate risk of poisoning and because of the possible effects over the long term.

 

First, I want to say that I support your decision to do whatever you need to to keep your son healthy and happy. No one should be made to feel guilty about whether or not to breastfeed. That said, I want to point out that breast milk is always best for a child. It is the only nourishment made specifically for human infants. Formula is only a close second. I think it might have been better to say that trying to breastfeed, especially under difficult circumstances, is not always best.

 

Also, in response to the idea of liquid vitamins for infants, apparently there is some discussion as to whether there actually is enough iron in breast milk to sustain an infant past 6 months. Dr. William Sears said in a column that the iron in breast milk is less than other sources, but that combined with other elements in breast milk, it is more easily absorbed than the iron in formula, cereal or vitamin supplements. For my two cents, my ped said he wouldn’t recommend vitamins as long as our child was eating well, gaining weight and not showing signs of anemia. His belief is that vitamins are better absorbed in their natural state (food).

 

Vitamins May Slow Down Alzheimer’s

High doses of vitamins may help slow the progression of Alzheimer’s disease. That’s the finding of a pilot study in the March/April issue of the American Journal of Geriatric Psychiatry. Researchers at the Georgetown University Medical Center’s Memory Disorders Program found high-dose vitamins reduce levels of the amino acid homocysteine in people with Alzheimer’s. Previous research has found a link between homocysteine and the mind-robbing disease. The Georgetown University researchers are now leading a 40-center therapeutic trial to determine whether three common vitamins — folic acid, B12 and B6 — can decelerate Alzheimer’s.

 

The study, funded by the U.S. National Institute on Aging, has started recruiting 400 people with mild to moderate Alzheimer’s disease. They’ll be randomly assigned to receive either vitamins or placebos. Their cognitive function — memory, thinking and language — will be assessed over the course of 18 months to determine the progress of their disease. I did not say that there is no evidence that vitamins are helpful or beneficial.

 

They are absolutely essential, but an ordinary western diet contains sufficient vitamins to meet the RDA, and PhD nutritionists (who, collectively, help establish the RDA) won’t argue that assertion. My point was this: since the RDA is met by diet, why are we taking vitamin tablets? We’re encouraged to eat “plenty of fruits and vegetables” (read the DASH diet) only partly for the vitamin content since the RDA is basically met; in addition, their fiber content appears to have value in preventing colon cancer, diverticulosis/diverticulitis, Crohn’s, foot-in-mouth disease, and other GI problems. Where’s the nutrition in McDonalds and kfc and other junk foods?

 

This sort of diet is on the increase and many eat it regularly. I have met many who think they are eating healthy foods, yet their diet is lacking in many necessary items. An ex girlfriend turned her nose up at vegies cooked in her food and never ate fruit, this is more common than many are willing to accept. Many others have high stress lifestyles and work long hours often missing proper meals. The above examples show the need for supplements, but there are many other reasons why a person would need to take vitamins which I have not mentioned. Another point to note is that we don’t always feel any immediate benefits from improving our nutrition or taking supplements, the benefits are felt gradually on the long term. Also some will actually feel worse as their bodies which are hooked on junk withdraw.

 

Does the use of excessive vitamins cause prostate problems?

I have experienced prostatitis several times over the last 10 years. After numerous rounds of drug therapy – without success – I finally began getting relief from inflammation by transferring to a job where I was able to stand up and walk around more during the day. It turned out that sitting for too long was causing severe prostate irritation. Here’s a problem I still have: Whenever I take any form of vitamins or minerals, even in very small dosages, I get a flare-up/inflammation in my prostate that is pretty severe.

 

When I quit taking the vitamins, the inflammation is gone in 48 hours. I have taken very basic sets of multi-vitamins and individual vitamins, B,C,E, Zinc, Selenium, etc. Nothing out of the ordinary or mega dosages. Even 500 mg of Vitamin C causes problems. I have reported this occurrence to 4 different urologists I have seen in the last 10 years. They have no experience with this reported problem. I would like to take some small dosages of vitamins. Anecdotally, I have had one patient experience increased symptoms related to use of a dietary “body building” supplement that contained who knows what…vitamins are often a component, but also sometimes are things such as Ephedrine, etc.

 

Interesting notation. A few days of 500 mg. of extra Vitamin C seems to get my prostate howling. I do take the lowest level of supplement regularly, though, and don’t seem to mind too much. Perhaps I should interrupt for a week to see what happens.Vitamin C, even in low doses can acidify the urine. If there is any inflammation in the bladder or urethra, it may exacerbate the symptoms. This type of problem is commonly seen in patients with interstitial cystitis. The vitamins were made by “Your Life” and I bought them at a Sam’s Club. I cannot swear that these vitamins are the reason I am getting better. I am putting this out for others who are looking for another avenue to try. These vitamins cost less than $20. I would encourage others who have had any similar situations to respond to this.

 

Vitamins induces autoimmunity in humans

Treatment is simple, inexpensive, and safe. The first step is to rid the body of excess iron. The process is called phlebotomy, which means removing blood. Depending on how severe the iron overload is, a pint of blood will be taken once or twice a week for several months to a year, and occasionally longer. Joint pain is the most common complaint of people with hemochromatosis. Other common symptoms include fatigue, lack of energy, abdominal pain, loss of sex drive, and heart problems. Symptoms tend to occur in men between the ages of 30 and 50 and in women over age 50.

 

However, many people have no symptoms when they are diagnosed.Would you mind posting to tell us what the doc says about the iron suppliment? I am anemic too, and get so fatigue because of it. My doc won’t give me iron because of the toxic affects it can have. I am not sure about what he says. I wonder if my anemia could be corrected, thus giving me more energy. I would be interested to see what your doc thinks and says. Cool, thanks for all the info! I will check out the site. As for my favorite sprouts, Lentils!! My favorite soup is homeade lentil soup. I didn’t know that lentils were sprouts though. Thought they were beans. Bruce is right, you will absorb iron from those skillets.

 

That was one of the things the doctor cautioned my brother about. Then my Mom felt guilty because she used them all our lives. Of course, no one knew about iron overload, they kept telling my mom he was anemic! Well, it makes sense. I’m not planning on surgery. And to tell the truth, since I’ve upped my daily walking to the 45 minutes Weil recommends (and been more regular about *doing* the walking), I feel a little better down there. I’m also taking Dong Quai, for whatever that might be doing, but I think the exercise is loosening things up. I use cast iron skillets too.

 

They were my grandmothers. I have used these pans since the 70′s.I love them. Weight is an issue. The things weigh a lot. I also use my grandmothers dutch ovens. There are three of them from large to small. Old beat up enameled things. Boy do they roast like a dream. When I worked at a health food store, we cooked with them, and I had to clean them afterwards. The owner said not to use soap because it makes them rust, so to just rinse in hot water and scrub with a metal scrubby thingie, and then dry off by heating on low on the gas stove. Is this accurate? I never knew if that was sanitary or not, but I thought that because of the heating dry, that maybe it was ok.

 

Vitamins in kids food

The EU wants to allow companies to add vitamins to candy. Norway is strongly opposed to this, because it is unneccessary, and potentially dangerous. Most Europeans get enough vitamins these days. Lack of vitamins was a problem 100 years ago. Vitamins is only used as a marketing gimmick in this case, to give the impression that the brand of candy in question is healthy, when in fact obesity and diabetes are much larger problems for children today. And many risk getting too much vitamins if they are added to food without strict control.

 

Too much vitamins can be dangerous. Previously, the EU has forced Norway to accept candy and soda with a blue colour, which is suspected of making children hyperactive. And children is of course the target groups for the products which contain this colour. It is even used in toothpaste for children. What a great idea to make children hyperactive right before they are to go to bed. Unfortunately, instead of becoming member of the EU and gain influence over matters which do concern us, a small majority voted that we should have no influence and basically do whatever the EU decides (except with regards to fishing and agriculture).

 

Must admit that I am not sure as far as DE is concerned. I thought that adding vitamins to (some) candy is common practice in the EU anyway. Mostly vitamin C but also others … And from what I know, if a food additive is “legal” in one member state, products that contain the ingredient can be sold anywhere in the EU. Don’t know if that affects all EEA countries, though.

 

Gardening and vitamins

Have you tried adding lots of acidic organic matter (rotting pine needles) and flowers of sulfur to plots where you are having problems with unavailable nutrients? I doubt that your soil has a deficiency, more an unavailability due to high pH. The micronutrients are likely to be there, just unavailable due to insolubility at that high pH Agreed in broad-acre plantings. If you get a good price for the produce and you have no alternative soil nearby, then foliar spraying may be economically feasible – just not the BEST way.

 

In my home garden, I would want to do it the BEST way! If you grow the same plants on optimally fertile soils, without the foliar feeding, you should have to spend just as little on pest control as you describe. (And almost nothing on trace elements) If you try to grow plants in these extremely calcareous soils without foliar feeding, you will have poor struggling plants with a greater susceptibility to pests and diseases. The dilemma is whether you follow the commercial growers techniques which are economically driven, or the home garden technique, which is driven by pleasure and enjoyment of the plants – where ends don’t always justify means.

 

The commercial grower will go broke if he sits in the middle of his crop contemplating the butterflies, whereas this is surely the raison d’etre of a home garden. Well come on smartass, you tell us, as you apparently know the truth of it and I don’t. My first post to this group over a year ago was a naive question about this flaky practice. M&v dumped on me and called me a troll, remember? I have since learned something about it from other groups – no-one on this group either knew about it or was game to chime in after Vic had spoken .Someone has some great maketing skills. The fellow that came up with the idea: How’s he doing? Gotta be a key ingredient in here somewhere that can only be obtained through him.