Human vitamins for plants?

The story goes that my Mom had gotten indigestion from pre natal vitamins and was pretty fed up in general when pregnant with me. She tossed the vitamins out the front window into a planted bed and the climbing roses made it up the trellis onto the roof with prolific and large blooms. My Godfather claims they were tinged with additional color and never grew as well in following years. As for my opinion? take the vitamins yourself and pee on the compost. I don’t know what the “obvious comment” is and I don’t know what you mean by the plants can’t use it, or it’s inefficient.

 

I live in one of the most, if not *the* most, intensely agricultured areas in the U.S (with a very great variety of both food and horticultural crops), and the farmers/nurserymen, who are not known to spend unneccessarily, are quite intensive users of micronutrient sprays, the main one available locally being KeyPlex. I take my cue for home gardening from them, use it on everything, and have great health and vigor throughout the garden. Not only that, but the plants are so naturally strong, that I have needed no pesticides whatever. Sure, the bugs chew things, but ultimate damage is insignificant.

 

With vitamins you’re dealing with dollars per milligrams such that even a small box of expensive Miracle Grow will be hundreds of times cheaper. IOW, use of multi-vitamins from your typical $8.00 container might be a kind (although extravagant) gesture for a house plant but is far less likely to revolutionize agriculture :) I didn’t say they were human vitamins. I said if you want to give vitamins to plants, the way to do it is with micronutrient foliar sprays. It goes without saying that such would be formulated for the nutritional needs of plants. We do happen to have intractible soil problems in my region. In the words of one soil analyst “the only thing we don’t need is calcium”.

 

Anyone taking multi-vitamins?

I have been taking some stuff can Juice Plus. Scientifically, I am not much on what is really there. I take 2 in the morn and 2 in the evening. It has been 4 months and (very unscientific information to follow) I have done some darn good racing. Including first place in an age group bi Sunday! They are gelcap and you have to swallow them with a meal. I am not a distributor, don’t have any to sell, make no money from the product and I don’t even work with the guy that sold it to me. I just want to go fast. I use a multi-vitamin called Myadec put out by Parke-Davis. One tablet a day.

 

I eat a balanced diet and probably get all of the necessary vitamins but just take the pills to be sure. I’m on the side of the studies that discourage using pills to exceed recommended daily allowances. If I want to load up on vitamin C, I’ll do it with citrus fruit. I use Juice Plus, too. Rather than a vitamin in the usual sense, Juice Plus is made from a broad range of fresh fruits and vegetables. You can do capsules (2 veggies and 2 fruits per day) and/or a powder that works like a more traditional supplement.

 

The powder has all of the stuff that the capsules do, but comes in a chocolate or vanilla flavorings that I mix with yogurt and fruit. For example, mix a couple of scoops of the powder with strawberry yogurt, frozen blueberries, raspberries, and blackberries, and 8 oz of skim milk, and you get a massive shot of antioxidants and micronutrients in a good tasting breakfast. I can make it, eat it, and clean up the kitchen in 15 minutes, too. The company’s research says that the body absorbs the nutrients better when they come in whole form, so this is the next best thing to eating a bunch of different fresh fruits and veggies, some of which would be hard to keep fresh.

 

One possible downside is that to get it, a distributor has to set you up with the company. The best way is to be a preferred customer; the company will ship a 4-month supply to you then bill you in 4 installments and you get a better price right from the start. If you don’t need to change the order, you never have to talk to the distributor again. I got a distributor license from the company just to set up myself, family, and friends, and I do the preferred customer thing with them so that they get the stuff they need at a good price and I don’t have to mess with inventories or turn this into a part-time job.

 

Nervousness caused by vitamins

Has anybody had any experience with “natural” vitamins making a dog nervous? I’m having a real problem with nervousness in my dog, and it started, best as I can tell, about 3 weeks after she started the vitamins. Several years ago, I took a healthy “natural/herbal” diet vitamin — after a few days, it made me nervous, hyper, irritable, and made my heart race. (no more!) Could a herbal vitamin cause this effect in my dog? The vitamin contains comfrey leaf, ginger root, fenugreek seed, fennel seed, capsicum, nettle leaf, caraway seed, genetian root, papaya leaf, kelp, acidophilus, and a slew of vitamins. Are any of these stimulants? Do any of these sometimes cause nervousness?

 

My dog, a 10.5-year-old part golden retriever, is terrified of storms & strange noises. This has turned into fear of rainy days and the neighbor’s lawn mower, garbage disposal, weed wacker, washing machine … No, it’s not separation anxiety. We’ve been to two vets — the second is an *excellent* vet who’s been a terrific help. After a long and difficult time which included Christy injuring herself and trying to dig through the walls, we settled her on amitriptyline. (The pharmacist advised that Christy shouldn’t drive heavy machinery when on this medication.) Christy has no noticable side-effects beyond being much more stable – it doesn’t make her sleepy or “drunk” like some of the other things we tried.

 

She’s much happier since going onto the medicine. Oh, and she pants. That could also be the result of the prednisilone (for inflammatory bowel disease, a low maintenance dose she can’t do without). My dog takes more medicine than I’ve ever seen in my life. :-( But without it, she’d be dead. In an effort to improve her general health and a far-fetched prayer that somehow I could make her so healthy she wouldn’t need the above medicines (huge fear of side-effects) I got her a health-food doggie vitamin: Pro-Vita-Min Pet Supplement from NatureMost laboratories.

 

Great stuff, and expensive, but no additives (yeast, chicken flavoring, etc.) that might inflame her allergic already-inflamed bowels. Sigh. If you knew the trouble … I really love this dog! The new vitamin seemed to be working well. Christy wasn’t allergic to it and her (non-existant) appetite increased. She also had more energy. She’s on a medium dose of vitamins, medium amitriptyline, and a low dose of Prednisilone.

 

A mainstream review of vitamins

Mainstream medical opinion on diets is often very conservative. For instance the value of glycemic index is still regarded as controversial. This review then by JAMA must be taken MUCH more seriously than the stuff found in popular diet books that read more like infomercials. Our review of 9 vitamins showed that elderly people, vegans, alcohol-dependent individuals, and patients with malabsorption are at higher risk of inadequate intake or absorption of several vitamins. Excessive doses of vitamin A during early pregnancy and fat-soluble vitamins taken anytime may result in adverse outcomes.

 

Inadequate folate status is associated with neural tube defect and some cancers. Folate and vitamins B(6) and B(12) are required for homocysteine metabolism and are associated with coronary heart disease risk. Vitamin E and lycopene may decrease the risk of prostate cancer. Vitamin D is associated with decreased occurrence of fractures when taken with calcium. Some groups of patients are at higher risk for vitamin deficiency and suboptimal vitamin status.

 

Many physicians may be unaware of common food sources of vitamins or unsure which vitamins they should recommend for their patients. Vitamin excess is possible with supplementation, particularly for fat-soluble vitamins. Inadequate intake of several vitamins has been linked to chronic diseases, including coronary heart disease, cancer, and osteoporosis Division of General Medicine and Primary Care, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and Channing Laboratory, Department of Medicine, Brigham and Women’s Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA, USA.

 

Do you take your vitamins?

We swallow our daily “dose” of vitamin pills for the same silly reasons people waft magnets over their morning beer: comfort and reassurance. My vitamins are in large speckled caplets from a family-size tub bought at Costco, and I also take a daily vitamin E softgel. Why do I take them? Why do you? Vitamin pills do NOT produce any detectable physical or operational response (in the sense of less pain, better visual acuity, greater strength, etc. etc.). Those who think vitamin pills make them feel physically better would do just as well on placebos. If they believe that they would “feel worse” if they stopped taking their multivitamin, they’re mistaken even if, by some incredibly improbable dietary quirk, they suffer from a vitamin deficiency of some sort. Such deficiencies are insidious, slow.

 

One could live for a surprisingly long time on pure intravenous glucose. Sure, there are very specific conditions and problems that are caused by deficiencies. On IV glucose you’d eventually suffer from scurvy, beri-beri, etc. The neurological and anti spina bifida benefits of folates have so satisfied investigators that our health infrastructure has mandated that certain foods be fortified with it, along with D. Healthy, low risk people like me (like you?) ritually take their vitamin pills, based solely upon advertising and with no evidence supporting the ritual.

 

At the breakfast table we examine those little pills next to our forks, and with all the confidence in the world swallow them and smile, uncaring that another dollar of our productivity has just gone down the tubes, so to speak. Why do we do it? It’s because taking vitamin pills gives us the feeling that we’re “doing SOMETHING” positive, and we enjoy feeling in control. IS THAT COMFORT THE SOLE BENEFIT OF TAKING VITAMINS? Regardless of how we feel, we convince ourselves that if we stop taking vitamins we’ll somehow suffer — even if there’s absolutely no justification (for 99.99% of us) for that belief. Physicians routinely recommend vitamins.

 

The alternative health people sell them by the truckload. We buy the smaller pills for our children, give them to our pets, spray the vitamins into our noses or mouths, sprinkle them over our food, carefully read the labels in the supermarket and buy the cereal with more Vitamin X. We’re hooked — and the addiction is 100% psychological. When the pill bottle runs out we even feel uncomfortable till the supply is replenished — and then after missing a day or two, how many do YOU take?

 

Loss of vitamins and minerals cause migraine

I am posting this as a favor to other migraine sufferers. I dont know if anyone else has had this experience or not. I would be curious to hear… I am 35 male computer consultants who is fits “classic migraine personality” (Type A personality, worries/stresses about everything, has too many things going on and cant seem to get off and relax…) Anyway, I have had severe migraines 2-3 times per week. I started going to the Diamond Headache Clinic in Chicago in November 97. (BTW, I highly recommend this place if you can get to it.) I have tried Wygraine (didnt work for me), Midrin (worked on smaller headaches, but didnt work on “eye headaches” where pain is like someone punching you in the eye”) as medicines to take on the onset of pain.

 

I used Imitrex which did work on most of the headaches, but my whole body ached the day after. It also didnt seem to work on the most sever headaches. I now use Zomig (which I take in 5mg dosage if a big one is coming, even though normal dosage is 2.5mg). As for daily medicines, I was also on Tenormin daily (prescribed by Family Doctor before Diamond clinic). Didnt work much. I tried Calan and it seemed to lessen the severity, but not the frequency. The drug that works so far the best for me as a preventative has been Depakote (1 at morn, 2 at night).

 

Biggest drawback is that Depakote makes me very sleepy, but its better than the migraine. I write all this to show where I have been in the last few years in trying to treat migraines. This fall, I decided that I could not afford to get sick, so I decided to get a really strong multivitamin in the vain hope that I would avoid getting sick. I began taking this “pack” of vitamins/minerals on October. About 3-4 weeks into taking the vitamins, I realized that I wasnt getting 2-3 headaches a week. I was getting about 1 per week.

 

The role of three main vitamins

Among the 600 or more carotenoids in foods, beta-carotene, lycopene, and lutein are well-known leaders in the fight to reduce the damage from free radicals. Foods high in carotenoids include red, orange, deep-yellow, and some dark-green leafy vegetables, such as tomatoes, carrots, sweet potatoes, and broccoli. Some studies have shown that beta-carotene may be an effective ally against prostate cancer. A recent study found men with the lowest level of beta-carotene in their blood were at the greatest risk of developing this cancer. Sweet potatoes, winter squash, and carrots are all good sources of beta-carotene.

 

Lycopene, a carotenoid found in tomatoes, is one of the most powerful antioxidants and appears to protect against many diseases, including cancers of the mouth, pharynx, esophagus, stomach, colon, and rectum. Another study showed that women with the highest levels of lycopene in their blood were five times less likely to develop precancerous signs of cervical cancer than women with the lowest levels. Lutein may decrease the risk of developing macular degeneration, the eye disease that afflicts one in three people over age 75. Foods rich in lutein include broccoli, brussels sprouts, spinach, kale, and egg yolk.

 

Vitamin E: one main mission Research has demonstrated the broad role of vitamin E in promoting health. For example, vitamin E may affect aging, infertility, heart disease, cancer, and athletic performance. The main role of vitamin E is as an antioxidant. It helps protect the body from cell damage that can lead to cancer, heart disease, and cataracts as we age. Vitamin E works together with other antioxidants, such as vitamin C, to offer protection from some chronic diseases. Vitamin E is found in vegetable oils, salad dressings, margarine, wheat germ, whole-grain products, seeds, nuts, and peanut butter.

 

If you are trying to maintain a very-low-fat diet, you should seek advice from a registered dietitian to evaluate your diet to determine if you need a vitamin E supplement to get enough of this important nutrient. Vitamin C — an antioxidant workhorse The most famous antioxidant is vitamin C, and its touted benefits are well known. Current research findings have shown that vitamin C may lower the risk of developing cataracts and other eye diseases. In some studies, this antioxidant workhorse has helped lower blood pressure and cholesterol and has been shown to help prevent stroke and heart attacks. Still more benefits of vitamin C are being discovered. Researchers have found that people who suffer from asthma, arthritis, cancer, diabetes, and heart disease have lower levels of vitamin C in their blood than non-sufferers. To take advantage of these benefits, choose foods rich in vitamin C, such as citrus fruits (e.g., oranges, grapefruits), sweet peppers, strawberries, broccoli, and potatoes.

 

Role of vitamins in heart protection

I was hospitalized briefly about 9 months ago to check a potential heart problem (right bundle branch block) At the time, increasing vitamins C and E was strongly advised. I also take calcium with magnesium and a vision related complex called I -Caps, on the recommendation of my ophthalmologist. (I have had cataract surgery in both eyes, have macular degeneration in my right eye and a hint of it in the left). I also drink about 3 to 4 oz. of fresh carrot juice daily. I have noticed an improvement in my night vision especially with the carrot juice, but was cautioned against overdoing it.

 

I am betting it is all the sitting many people do while drinking beer all of the time. Amazing how quickly some vigorous activity can strip fat off. I can think of a couple of reasons. One might be the stuff they use to form the pills. Have you tried different types or do you just go with the cheapest brand at Walmart? Second B-vitamins are acidic. As far as the beer and brewers yeast upsetting the stomach, it is probably the war going on between the differing kinds of microbacteria in your digestive system. If you drink a little natural beer every day it actually helps your digestion by killing off harmful bacteria and replacing it with more helpful bacteria. Encouraging healthful eating habits early in childhood is important for maintaining these habits in adulthood.

 

The best way to get children to eat fruits and vegetables is to offer them often and to be a positive role model. The Food Guide Pyramid guides us on the number of servings of fruits and vegetables to eat every day. Fruits and vegetables have been found to help prevent a host of diseases by providing essential vitamins, minerals, fiber, and other nutrients, including antioxidants. While we all know it’s important to eat fruits and vegetables, more than 80 percent of us don’t consume the recommended 2-3 servings of fruits and 3-5 servings of vegetables each day. A registered dietitian can help you evaluate your eating habits and show you tasty and healthful ways to add fruits and vegetables to your daily eating plan.

 

What are antioxidant vitamins and why are they important? Our bodies are actually battlegrounds for infection and diseases. Normal body functions, such as breathing or physical activity, and other lifestyle habits, such as smoking, produce substances called free radicals that attack healthy cells. When these healthy cells are weakened, they are more susceptible to cardiovascular disease and certain types of cancers. Antioxidants, such as vitamins C and E, and carotenoids, which include beta-carotene, lycopene, and lutein, help protect healthy cells from damage caused by free radicals.

 

Vitamins and monosodium glutamate

According to the Human Development Report 2001 published by the UNDP, poverty has dreadful consequences on people’s lives. Cambodia, which is one of Asia’s poorest countries, presents the lowest life expectancy and the highest death rate in Asia, just behind Afghanistan. 56% of Cambodian children suffer from stunted growth, meaning they are underweight and/or underheight. Because they are undernourished and live in poor hygiene conditions, they are more subject to diseases and death.

 

If they survive, their future is often jeopardized. Many physicians working in Cambodia wonder why the government and health organizations generously financed by international assistance have not conceived and implemented food or nutrient distribution programs to cope with malnutrition and its appalling consequences. In the USA, where many people cannot afford costly medical care, vitamins, minerals and essential amino-acids are sold in supermarkets and widely used by a health-conscious population as a way to prevent deficiencies, dysfunctions and diseases.

 

In developing countries with far-sighted governments like Thailand, school children in poor areas are given free milk every day; or vitamins and other micro-nutriments are distributed to the poor on a large scale. In some African countries, research has identified vital nutriments lacking in children’s diets, such as vitamin A, iron and iodine. Their distribution to the children by international aid organizations has saved countless lives and prevented handicaps such as blindness, rickets, goiter or mental deficiency. In Cambodia, the only organization that has distributed vitamins on a large scale is the Sam Rainsy Party. Over the last 12 months, the opposition party has reportedly distributed 300,000 small bags of vitamins in rural areas, with the objective to serve 1 million people over the next 12 months. Impressive results have been reported.

 

People who had been paralyzed with beriberi, were able to walk again after taking pills containing vitamin B1 for only a week. People whose vision had been impaired by a deficiency in vitamin A, could see clearly again. Most of the undernourished people who have absorbed vitamins for up to two weeks, find themselves in better heath. Along with vitamins distribution, the SRP strives to fulfill a pedagogic mission by explaining in the written instructions accompanying the pills that these pills can be replaced by an adequate diet. For instance, people with beriberi are advised to eat brown, red or whole rice (with bran) that naturally contains vitamin B1. In the mind of people who are also eligible voters, vitamins distributed by the SRP with the opposition party logo are politically, intellectually and ethically opposed to monosodium glutamate (a taste enhancer for cooking currently called MSG) massively distributed by the ruling CPP in the run-up to the last legislative election in 1998.

 

Choosing the right vitamins

One thing I’d suggest is to simply not worry too much about it. Unless you think your child is seriously underweight or your ped has said something. At my house – considering the personalities involved, including mine – stickiness can quickly turn into a control contest. That’s worse than just stickiness, trust me! And I think “hiding” the veggies is okay. *I* don’t happen to like certain raw foods, but I’ll eat them in a muffin or a casserole.

 

And for my picky eater, I even have to be careful of the “hiding.” I can’t just chop up apples and put them in muffins, for example – because there’ll be *things* in the muffins. But I could use applesauce. My picky eater also doesn’t like certain “mixed up” foods or foods that have somehow changed form… He loves those canned green beans, but wouldn’t touch a green bean casserole. He likes raw carrots, but not cooked. And while he likes tomato sauce, raw tomatoes are out of the question. I don’t know if this helps with food suggestions or is just consideration. I will tell you that my son’s stickiness has gotten less and less over the years. Or at least his picky targets change so much that I’ve lost track.

 

I’ve always laughed a the Total[*] cereal commercials, saying people should just take a vitamin and eat what they like. But… with a picky toddler who won’t take a vitamin without a struggle — I am wondering if a bowl of Total would do the trick? He recently weaned and doesn’t drink much cow’s milk now so I was browsing the supermarket for calcium enriched foods, and came across the Total which has calcium plus many other vitamins and minerals. Is there any reason why this is a worse plan than taking a vitamin? (He frequently eats plain bran flakes for breakfast, so I suspect he’d eat it.)

 

Jamie is underweight–he was a preemie and is still just barely on the chart for his age (and that only recently), but not horribly so. He also still nurses, so I’m not *too* concerned about his health, but I don’t want him to decide he doesn’t like a lot of things without even trying them, which is the point we seem to be getting to now, unfortunately. Jamie likes fresh and canned fruit, but veggies, no dice. We’ve tried everything from the jarred Gerber Graduates baby diced veggies to canned, frozen, fresh, raw–forget it.